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 <title>Sunday Experience/Church Growth/1 vs 2 services</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;I hear Jeff saying a lot about growth, and some people challenging the definition, need and goals of said growth. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I feel that spending ANY time worrying about growth of a church and specifically expanding it&amp;#8217;s sunday morning &amp;#8216;event(s)&amp;#8217; , especially one that&amp;#8217;s &amp;#8220;radically committed to making a difference in our local community&amp;#8221; is a serious misstep.  Growth, especially when centered around a specific need or desire (in this case, affecting the community, ie: evangelism and outreach) must be organic. The Journey can spend the majority of it&amp;#8217;s time and effort on a sunday service that is almost exclusively for Christians (although people will say this isn&amp;#8217;t the case - time and time again has proven otherwise), or it can spend the majority of it&amp;#8217;s time, effort and money on having an effect on the community. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have a strong belief that some times (and, in this particular case) - the journey would become stronger in it&amp;#8217;s primary mission by having a smaller body of people more committed to direct goals, as opposed to a larger body of people consuming a (well put, btw) LCD on sundays. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also, the presentation doesn&amp;#8217;t change the message. &amp;#8216;Changing&amp;#8217; and &amp;#8216;Trying new things&amp;#8217; during a sunday morning service doesn&amp;#8217;t mean that you&amp;#8217;re reaching out to more people, it means that you&amp;#8217;re appealing to a different subset of the larger. Anyone who tries to debate this clearly hasn&amp;#8217;t attended one of the &amp;#8216;Town Hall&amp;#8217; type EPIC meetings (IE: Bitchfests) that have been occurring since the transition to Pioneer. Every new thing appeals to some, and some (often larger) group is in opposition.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here is a specific example: The first week after the Unconference, we tried a fairly radical paradigm shift with worship - the band and seats arranged in a circle, different worship sets, different approaches.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I didn&amp;#8217;t like most of the music. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was skeptical of the circle, because it meant that others were watching me, especially during worship.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.talkinchurch.com/forums/journey/sunday_experiencechurch_growth1_vs_2_services&quot;&gt;read more&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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 <pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:42:18 -0800</pubDate>
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